Benjamin Dean, 4

Interview with Benjamin Dean

MP:

What is your response to folks who may "desire" to wake up and yet, they feel that they don't have the time or it is too late to devote 30 years to the process. Do you have a recommendation for another person who "thinks" they are 'just beginning' this process to awaken?

Benjamin:

I have to offer another annoying quote here and that is “infinite patience produces immediate results”. There is some confusion about whose quote this is. I believe it was originally part of “A Course in Miracles”. There are also many Zen parables about the monk who is comfortable if it takes forever and the monk who is in a hurry. Of course the first monk awakens the following day. I also remember this actually coming out of someone’s mouth towards my wife and I at one point in our travels– the words (and I quote exactly) “I can’t afford to be generous”.

Before I earnestly began slowing the traffic of thoughts in my mind through meditation I believed that it was a black and white issue– that at some point in the future when I had completed the process I would experience the result. I was excited to discover that improvement occurs by degrees– the slower the traffic the greater the joy. I have a poem that I like and I believe it goes like this– “Time is for those who need something to happen”.

So people who don’t have the time to devote to meditation are basically choosing to chase after the carrot on the stick. They will never get the carrot and be miserable chasing it the entire time. My advice is to forget about the carrot. There is usually a deeper pain that has us chasing the carrot in the first place and when we drop the carrot all of the other more painful issues descend and must be dealt with and processed. Once some people see all of this they remember why they started chasing carrots and the attraction to vegetables begins again, usually spinach and cauliflower, LOL.

The advice I would give to those who believe they are just beginning is to realize deeply that there is nowhere to go. Krishnamurti insists that “self-knowledge is not cumulative” and I agree with him. Who wouldn’t? It’s not like you have a basket with a bunch of “you” in it and you are shopping for the rest of yourself. You never go anywhere. You can only be found now. You can only find yourself now– but only if you stop looking. Then the seeker and the sought can reconcile the whole problem together. Development and growth are biological only.

You NEVER change so stop looking for yourself in the future. The will is an interesting thing– motive– desire, etc. It is an imposed thing. When motive or desire is dropped then one becomes absolutely receptive. Motive can be dropped in any moment. Motive is synonymous with thinking. Mind and desire are one. Without these there is no longer any division and one is whole. Absolute receptivity is the same as being whole. Everything is yours. By giving up everything you become everything and so the way to get what you want is to stop wanting it. We stop wanting it by stopping the mind and its thoughts. Full unbridled awareness is what remains.

MP:

So, in my experience, I say: "Why meditate?" And in your experience, you say: "Why not?"

Benjamin:

So, why meditate? The value in meditation in terms of sitting still is to begin where you must start... with self. Yes, you take yourself with you everywhere you go and as soon as you start walking motive kicks in almost automatically. I am interviewing a friend about walking meditation. It is really interesting to start paying attention to movement and the "why" of it. For me, sitting still allows healing to take place in my body. The clearing of chakras and the sometimes subtle bodily responses are not confused with other physical activity. Everything works. People have diverse needs. My path has had a lot of healing as part of it. This is an important benefit for me.

The clearing of chakras is the cleaning out or residual un-lived life and fears held in the energy centers. Depending on the level of fear or trauma experienced this can take some time. I want to add at the risk of making a gender-based faux pas, that walking around and being receptive is likely to feel more natural to women, whereas for men we immediately resume the hunt. Sitting still reminds us that we are not after anything... physical at least. Again, gender really is not the issue here as both sexes may be inclined to either.

MP:

Yes, I know this is not a gender faux pas, in the least. There is deep truth involved with the masculine/feminine energies... of which we all contain both. The collective conditioning with regards to the female form...is deep indeed... and therefore a woman will have a very different experience with this.

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