Yvonne Lautenschlager, 3

Interview with Yvonne Lautenschlager


I don’t believe I have ever heard the phrase “non-directional love”. I love this. It implies no beginning, no ending, nowhere to go, and all-pervasive– all in two words. And yet it arises, which I take to be more of it being always present, but the breathing gets you in touch with it, is that it? Thank you for sharing your exercise to do with the seven minute intervals. I want to try that. I do have a question regarding this. What prompted you to deepen your breath that was not related to meditation? I did even more of the breathing exercise and had a little more success.

Perhaps over time it will improve. We are dealing with the oxygenation of the blood here. On an esoteric level I believe that this relationship is associated with body/mind connection– or rather energy/consciousness. I also feel that the cycles are opposites– one dealing with the conscious and the other with the unconscious– just a gut feeling on this. The end of the exhale feels like surrender to the unconscious, whereas the end of the inhale feels quite conscious and more difficult to do non-deliberately. I don’t suppose it even matters.


Thank you for your kind words, I feel a poem coming to non-directional love now :-) Yes, I think you are right, it brings me in touch with it. What prompted me was, that I had more or less huge panic attacks at that time and my breathing during those states was very quick and flat/hackling (right word?). re: conscious and unconscious aspect, yes that’s a good point. In addition for me it is also a question of giving and taking. I *take* during inhale, I *give away* during exhale.


So what started as an approach to dissolving anxiety led to your current meditative practice, is that so? There is someone I am currently interviewing regarding Tantra Meditative Practices, and he offered this quote from Master Atisha. I am sharing it with you here because it refers to both breathing meditatively and the giving and taking with inhale and exhale.

As you breathe in, take in and accept all the sadness, pain, and negativity of the whole world, including yourself, and absorb it into your heart. As you breathe out, pour out all your joy and bliss; bless the whole of existence.

–Master Atisha

It feels as if we are coming close to the natural end of this interview. However, I want you to feel free to share anything that my directive questions have not allowed space for regarding your personal form of meditation. I do have one last question, and that is as to whether you have any desire to expand your meditation practice into other areas or if you feel that this one gives you all that you need.


In response to your question– “So what started as an approach to dissolving anxiety led to your current meditative practice, is that so?” In a way, yes, but it was also pushed a lot by Eckhart Tolle and his breathing and inner body *method*. (He doesn't like to call it method or technique) It is a beautiful quote, thank you.

In answer to your last question, it somehow gives me all that I need, but from time to time I really enjoy other meditation forms. For example in groups, or I want to try some guided meditations by Osho. But I have no *plan*, it unfolds. Thank you very much Benjamin. I enjoyed this. Some things got clearer for me!


Thank you.

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